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[Issue 8618] Remove deprecated -h HOST and -p PORT options from clients
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8618 --- Comment #22 from Konstantin Andreev <grapvar(a)gmail.com> --- (In reply to Howard Chu from comment #21) > > It's quite poor etiquette to respond to a thread without reading it from the > beginning. This ticket already makes the advantage clear. I certainly read the thread before responding. But I admit I should make this clear to facilitate the discussion. The only advantage I could assume from 2018-year thread is the ability to "Not to fix" the bug originally called [ldapsearch - unexpected behavior with "-h URI -p PORT"]. If this is what you mean as "advantage" then I could say that even simple WONTFIX would be better, because it, at least, does not harm current ldaptools users. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8618] Remove deprecated -h HOST and -p PORT options from clients
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8618 --- Comment #21 from Howard Chu <hyc(a)openldap.org> --- (In reply to Konstantin Andreev from comment #20) > The most balanced approach is to remove *being used* features only when they > come into conflict with new features or enhancements. Not just because > "there is another way". What is the advantage in removing -h/-p? It's quite poor etiquette to respond to a thread without reading it from the beginning. This ticket already makes the advantage clear. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8618] Remove deprecated -h HOST and -p PORT options from clients
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8618 --- Comment #20 from Konstantin Andreev <grapvar(a)gmail.com> --- (In reply to Howard Chu from comment #19) > > > > I think you might be mistaken with removing -h/-p. Why not to leave it > > as-is? It just works. > > These options have been deprecated since 2000, so you've had literally 20 > years to migrate away from them. "It just works" is incorrect, these options > are inadequate for most modern use cases. E.g., they're insufficient for > specifying ldaps or ldapi connections, while using -H with a URI handles all > use cases. You should ask instead: how many people do use them? It costs negligible to zero for you to just leave these features well enough alone, but it always costs money and efforts to migrate away. > These options have been deprecated since 2000, so you've had literally 20 > years to migrate away from them. If you are locked in OpenLDAP. But people use them because they are "lowest common denominator", supported by virtually any ldaptools suite. If you discard these options, you become (very?) special. The most balanced approach is to remove *being used* features only when they come into conflict with new features or enhancements. Not just because "there is another way". What is the advantage in removing -h/-p? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8618] Remove deprecated -h HOST and -p PORT options from clients
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8618 --- Comment #19 from Howard Chu <hyc(a)openldap.org> --- (In reply to Konstantin Andreev from comment #18) > A lot of admin people will now be forces to rewrite, test and debug their > hard-worked and stable management/startup/monitoring scripts. Multiply this > by N, because unforeseen corner cases always arise with time. > > Some times such changes must be conducted via external > auditing/certification authority, that is a way costlier. > > And last, but not least, ... [-h] and [-p] are de-facto standard for > ldap-tools. > > E.g., at the moment I use identical ldapsearch command line parameters on > Linux and on Solaris, but since then I should learn, train and use two > different ways, with unavoidable confusing from time to time. > > I think you might be mistaken with removing -h/-p. Why not to leave it > as-is? It just works. These options have been deprecated since 2000, so you've had literally 20 years to migrate away from them. "It just works" is incorrect, these options are inadequate for most modern use cases. E.g., they're insufficient for specifying ldaps or ldapi connections, while using -H with a URI handles all use cases. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8618] Remove deprecated -h HOST and -p PORT options from clients
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8618 --- Comment #18 from Konstantin Andreev <grapvar(a)gmail.com> --- A lot of admin people will now be forces to rewrite, test and debug their hard-worked and stable management/startup/monitoring scripts. Multiply this by N, because unforeseen corner cases always arise with time. Some times such changes must be conducted via external auditing/certification authority, that is a way costlier. And last, but not least, ... [-h] and [-p] are de-facto standard for ldap-tools. E.g., at the moment I use identical ldapsearch command line parameters on Linux and on Solaris, but since then I should learn, train and use two different ways, with unavoidable confusing from time to time. I think you might be mistaken with removing -h/-p. Why not to leave it as-is? It just works. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8618] Remove deprecated -h HOST and -p PORT options from clients
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8618 Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)openldap.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|ldapsearch - unexpected |Remove deprecated -h HOST |behavior with "-h URI -p |and -p PORT options from |PORT" |clients Resolution|--- |TEST Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #17 from Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)openldap.org> --- Commits: • 66af4cfd by Quanah Gibson-Mount at 2020-10-01T21:27:59+00:00 ITS#8618 - Remove deprecated -h and -p options to client tools -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8872] configure.in has long been deprecated
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 01 Oct '20

01 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)openldap.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |TEST Status|IN_PROGRESS |RESOLVED Keywords|OL_2_5_REQ | --- Comment #4 from Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)openldap.org> --- Commits: • 2dace701 by Quanah Gibson-Mount at 2020-10-01T16:41:34+00:00 ITS#8872 - Rename configure.in to configure.ac -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8872] configure.in has long been deprecated
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 01 Oct '20

01 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)openldap.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever confirmed|0 |1 Status|UNCONFIRMED |IN_PROGRESS --- Comment #3 from Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)openldap.org> --- https://git.openldap.org/openldap/openldap/-/merge_requests/187 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8872] configure.in has long been deprecated
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 01 Oct '20

01 Oct '20

https://bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)openldap.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keywords| |OL_2_5_REQ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue.

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[Issue 8872] configure.in has long been deprecated
by openldap-its＠openldap.org 01 Oct '20

01 Oct '20

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