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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by Kurt＠OpenLDAP.org 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:17 AM, michael(a)stroeder.com wrote: > This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. > > --------------ms080904050007060500070608 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: >> Client's really should, in general, just do their own sorting over the >> result set, especially for sorting entries for presentation purposes. > > People are always asking for paged displaying of address book data sorted= > by > name. If you have large result sets that's a problem at the client's side= > =2E Most of the server side paging is done stateless, which means that if a client relies on it, it's going to have data consistency problems (in the face of possible data or other changes). If you do it stateful on the server side to ensure data consistency, you kill your server. Most clients can easily deal with large data sets, even mobile devices. In many bandwidth constrained environments, roundtrips are even more problematic than the bandwidth issues. So dealing with presentation issues is often best for everyone. But the issue of this thread is sorting... (which often is used with paging). Code point sorting, as you get on the server side (at least with standard ordering rules), ain't what most clients actually want. And even if you have a desirable to the client ordering rule, the handling of multiple valued attributes called for in RFC 2891 is likely not what the client wants. So you end up needing the dup-entry control as well, and that adds more bandwidth and, if paging, more roundtrips. My guidance is to have client deal with presentation issues, which is what most sorting boils down to. > > But my feeling here is also ambivalent. I always tell people to narrow th= > e > search because wading through large result sets by clicking through pages= > is > not very efficient for the user himself anyway. Same problem with users > constantly asking for tree browsing. A horrible inefficient UI tool in la= > rger > deployments... > >> The only case where I see this control being useful is, in conjunction = > with >> the paged results control, for asking for the entry with the lowest/hig= > hest >> single-valued serial number (or like) attributes. > > For suggesting the next free unique number in an input form? Or for just assigning the next free serial number in decreasing/increasing order. 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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by michael＠stroeder.com 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080904050007060500070608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: > Client's really should, in general, just do their own sorting over the > result set, especially for sorting entries for presentation purposes. People are always asking for paged displaying of address book data sorted= by name. If you have large result sets that's a problem at the client's side= =2E But my feeling here is also ambivalent. I always tell people to narrow th= e search because wading through large result sets by clicking through pages= is not very efficient for the user himself anyway. Same problem with users constantly asking for tree browsing. A horrible inefficient UI tool in la= rger deployments... > The only case where I see this control being useful is, in conjunction = with > the paged results control, for asking for the entry with the lowest/hig= hest > single-valued serial number (or like) attributes. For suggesting the next free unique number in an input form? Ciao, Michael. --------------ms080904050007060500070608 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFOzCC BTcwggMfoAMCAQICAwl4kDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4w HAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmlu ZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAeFw0xMDEx MTcxNTQzMzFaFw0xMjExMTYxNTQzMzFaMD8xGDAWBgNVBAMUD01pY2hhZWwgU3Ry9mRlcjEj MCEGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYUbWljaGFlbEBzdHJvZWRlci5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUA A4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDo2SKth5GhtaDrCyfGtyUG+/hAAa/J52L0NFN4SSRvTtdGf9HfWwwd NCtgae0TVGWk2lKDbXA9d5vmyIiRhuwxd90H6FLErhRBeB9G67qtw87E8WUoXt2DwPQEUTWV hqHpPadlmgFw3+i3TGQQTe3O3W9MMMd4GJNhObem2VGRuCD37OXnzBksTcq0FPJgcWAhe3d/ 0ItOkNWBqgq8Mf3p7WFBhaQ0a27BC/mKtH8fI3kPcS305imPRja69Msq3EwUZBc9ToVp6FRQ NYKjfOBybDUzVkmRZl3H8xutQP2w8Zxb8m5f7Q1BfLLrIFScfYvIDgOERxTCd4lab8+/09XH AgMBAAGjggEAMIH9MAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwVgYJYIZIAYb4QgENBEkWR1RvIGdldCB5b3Vy IG93biBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBmb3IgRlJFRSBoZWFkIG92ZXIgdG8gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5DQWNl cnQub3JnMEAGA1UdJQQ5MDcGCCsGAQUFBwMEBggrBgEFBQcDAgYKKwYBBAGCNwoDBAYKKwYB BAGCNwoDAwYJYIZIAYb4QgQBMDIGCCsGAQUFBwEBBCYwJDAiBggrBgEFBQcwAYYWaHR0cDov L29jc3AuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAfBgNVHREEGDAWgRRtaWNoYWVsQHN0cm9lZGVyLmNvbTANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAgEANPf/aLF41eQlvN5dEg3CFnlN//qQK7+EPIXLnHprNWLb4nBwgdPj /E+qa1umT7px4Py3VS0UTKqLmMdWftwid8MOMHWalZwrfx0Z8U3He+EdJhOSnn9vdd/ug7Xd dI/hRjLaBSq9ZhCczEUgL6vTxCYPlIoHF56y/oxSJw59vRBjvRFKXvpBZWseeRkcGACQduNH SNdWC1IqHAbQlgOS9VWQUYlm//BdaLkezRxqnQp5+KJMAcZzHpdNJ3G4SqCJ02Z3n4kk8IKZ AjgiWxisDFNsfXKDb9Ng5ntnnH2ouxrgPoNnW445tgkz50VKHstylx9s5O3G7uUTtg0J+z63 TA8xbN6kzRx7RgAUkEXhl6WEdW+3EVj5tYY38Uy8vleP+gYZfphKEmQJgIQqy9D2+gesbolT QdWYgbUYY2AHJOshskMW7pahYnFX2pZmn/ayaPc+JFJlCEqO0+DcYQjYuv6sntQgZGkok7yZ R4xMbyCp61pTrfGWOufZs/FiScJZg1IWY5qb4URH4VZZjLNMR2pFMRuE4LvgkkMRasbUv7Yv n3Lzv34lTfJKUqYW6nx//L2NS4rN63o0taPwRygnuBK4kp7EYEcwtLeanJhQoIu4b6If9rwy D7CFAp51wIewV9VtZ1Is0irNBcMVyhJogIcuIn+VWY1ff1RxySD/djMxggOUMIIDkAIBATCB gDB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4wHAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcx IjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1 cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZwIDCXiQMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggHoMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkq hkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTEyMDQyMDE2MTY1OVowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYE FLqReNhqM0dMvax8KwzbLzq2PziaMF8GCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFSMFAwCwYJYIZIAWUDBAECMAoG CCqGSIb3DQMHMA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggq hkiG9w0DAgIBKDCBkQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMYGDMIGAMHkxEDAOBgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAc BgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZQ0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5n IEF1dGhvcml0eTEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSc3VwcG9ydEBjYWNlcnQub3JnAgMJeJAwgZMG CyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGDoIGAMHkxEDAOBgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6 Ly93d3cuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZQ0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5nIEF1dGhvcml0eTEh MB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSc3VwcG9ydEBjYWNlcnQub3JnAgMJeJAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAE ggEAyVNeNLp1NZXO0tamjjP+hri2OEvcaw5ik9BhpeqH8Vu88UsTd33c5Md3tdYNsXF6D9ud V8+dFYOSU9E7CTHdfdLojAW3HsBoQYuMvJWq74SkYOoShn8DQ1rG4PGIdOW0ZiUvZTzT+sRY UEY1Yst/iUG+N5LTaM5IMUoH/GMcgab2pWUSLkF+YkNG05XLHkg9tdIj51xCRP9Ic4kfDQos zD+TsKM/39xyEBtMMGjBnPUxGurKIdvltS95Z1bZ15L4PApHKMWZBIfizbO8KrFUEA8YT8IQ +grclVEKMgwybt9K2m3dQ1Vn3niIioysIJED9CVoK00ylvSkpC8fsjMtfAAAAAAAAA== --------------ms080904050007060500070608--

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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by clem.oudot＠gmail.com 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

Le 20 avril 2012 18:00, <Kurt(a)openldap.org> a écrit : > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 8:25 AM, kurt(a)openldap.org wrote: > >>> which use the sss >>> control on standards attributes like cn or sn. >> >> maybe you should file a bug report with them. > > and I should note that I consider most client use of this control, itself, to be a bug. Ok Kurt, I let you explain that to Microsoft and IBM ;) By the way, I understand your arguments, I just wanted to notify the OpenLDAP team of this problem, because that can force customers to use another LDAP directory in order to stay compatible with such (buggy) softwares. Clément.

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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by Kurt＠OpenLDAP.org 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

On Apr 20, 2012, at 8:25 AM, kurt(a)openldap.org wrote: >> which use the sss >> control on standards attributes like cn or sn. > > maybe you should file a bug report with them. and I should note that I consider most client use of this control, itself, to be a bug. Client's really should, in general, just do their own sorting over the result set, especially for sorting entries for presentation purposes. The only case where I see this control being useful is, in conjunction with the paged results control, for asking for the entry with the lowest/highest single-valued serial number (or like) attributes. -- Kurt

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Re: ITS#7239: testbed
by h.b.furuseth＠usit.uio.no 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

We seem to be two guys discussing work we're not volunteering to do anytime soon, but anyway... On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:22:32 GMT, masarati(a)aero.polimi.it wrote: > On 04/19/2012 11:20 PM, Hallvard Breien Furuseth wrote: >> No, I meant the opposite: The macroization is done. It could mostly >> be >> scripted and makes no semantic change unless #ifdef(SlapReply >> debug), >> which is what the macros were for. > > Right. Actually one simpler but uglier macro is enough, without touching non-internal calls: /* * Do ACT with OP->o_internal set. * Example: WITH_INTERNAL_OP( op, rc = op->o_bd->be_add( op, rs )); */ #define WITH_INTERNAL_OP(op, act) do { \ int *const wio_intern_ = &(op)->o_internal; \ int const wio_save_ = (*wio_intern_)++; \ act; \ (*wio_intern_)--; \ assert(*wio_intern_ == wio_save_); /* Keep this while testing */ \ } while (0) Not my preference, but at least it's an option. >> Figuring out which ops to tag as internal does, as you say, require >> review and testing. And one extra arg to the macros. > > How do you suggest to proceed? If I were doing it, I'd play in a separate branch while getting a feel for how it'll end up. Never mind the exact API, it can be rewritten at this stage if it's unsufficient or overkill. Then give master whatever framework is neeed to allow the rest of the job to be done some operation calls at the time, without needing a monster commit to develop and review. Technically, if not just the wrapper macro above: > I believe using different macros, e.g. > slap_bi_op_internal, slap_be_op_internal and SLAP_OP_INTERNAL is > clearer > than having an additional 0/1 parameter. OTOH, adding further > parameters in the future would be probably easier if we extend your > macros. Fair enough. 0/1 could be enum constants, but that's more verbose. And it's just 6 macros for now: My 3 old plus 3 new. /* In proto-slap.h: */ #define slap_bi_op( bi,which,op,rs) ((&(bi)->bi_op_bind)[ which ](op, rs)) #define slap_be_op( be,which,op,rs) slap_bi_op( (be)->bd_info,which,op,rs) #define SLAP_OP( which,op,rs) slap_be_op( (op)->o_bd, which,op,rs) /* Internal operations - as above but with op->o_internal set */ LDAP_SLAPD_F (int) (slap_bi_intop) LDAP_P(( BackendInfo *bi, slap_operation_t which, Operation *op, SlapReply *rs )); #define slap_be_intop(be,which,op,rs) slap_bi_intop((be)->bd_info,which,op,rs) #define SLAP_INTOP( which,op,rs) slap_be_intop(&(op)->o_bd, which,op,rs) /* In backend.c: */ int slap_bi_intop( BackendInfo *bi, slap_operation_t which, Operation *op, SlapReply *rs) { int rc; WITH_INTERNAL_OP( rc = slap_bi_op( bi, which, op, rs )); return rc; } > At this point, we need consensus on addressing ITS#6758 in the first > place. Nah. ITS#6758 needs the macros (at least if I'm to go at it), but the macros don't need ITS#6758 since they don't change what the code does. Hallvard

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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by Kurt＠OpenLDAP.org 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:56 AM, clem.oudot(a)gmail.com wrote: > Le 20 avril 2012 16:22, <hyc(a)symas.com> a écrit : >> Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: >>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Howard Chu wrote: >>> >>>> Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: >>>>> Incorrect behavior per the standards. If the control is recognized and >>>> implemented, then it's to be processed regardless of the criticality. There's >>>> not supposed to be any "if it errors, ignore it" processing. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the confirmation. The text of RFC2891 seems contradictory here though. >>> >>> RFC 2891 was written before RFC 4510... and to some degree, IIRC, was the reason why the criticality processing requirements were make more clear in RFC 4510. Overloading criticality (or any protocol element) is simply a bad thing. >>> >>>> Specifically, section 2 clause #4 says if critical is False, the search results should be returned unsorted, with a sortKeyResponseControl in the searchResultDone message, containing the error (e.g. inappropriateMatching). >>> >>> Both 3 and 4, especially when taken together, overload criticality. >>> >>> 3 is a complete mess because the server returning unavailableCriticalExtension but still making use of the extension by returning an extension specific control! 3 is also problematic as the server might detect the problem only after it has returned some entries. >>> >>> 4 isn't much better. >>> >>> So the whole specification is a mess. >>> >>> What I recommend is this, >>> >>> If the server implements the control: >>> >>> If the control is present, try to sort. If able to do so, return sortResult.success. Otherwise return sortResult with sortResult != success. >>> >>> This, I think is consistent with RFC 2891. >>> The client application is assured that the results are sorted in the >>> specified key order if and only if the result code in the >>> sortKeyResponseControl is success. >>> >>> clause 3-4 all have "should" (or "SHOULD") in them, all of which mean they are not absolutes. I think it reasonable to use RFC 4510 and the extensions BCP as justification to do something reasonable, such as what I suggest above. >> >> OK. I'm going to add some comments to this effect in sssvlv.c but otherwise >> close this ITS, works as designed. > > I would like just mention that this choice may be relevant from an > RFC/standardization point of view, but will lead to incompatibility of > OpenLDAP with some softwares like Cognos or Outlook, which use the sss > control on standards attributes like cn or sn. maybe you should file a bug report with them. > May it be possible to add an option in the sssvlv overlay to ignore such errors? I prefer not to condone non-standard behaviors by adding workarounds for them.

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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by kurt＠OpenLDAP.org 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Hallvard Breien Furuseth wrote: >> (...) >> So the whole specification is a mess. >> >> What I recommend is this, >> >> If the server implements the control: >> >> If the control is present, try to sort. If able to do so, return >> sortResult.success. Otherwise return sortResult with sortResult != >> success. >> >> This, I think is consistent with RFC 2891. > > Though the new behavior may be formally compatible with both RFCs, > it certainly breaks the expectations of one of them and must do so. Client developers implementing/using RFC 2891 should only have one key expectation: The client application is assured that the results are sorted in the specified key order if and only if the result code in the sortKeyResponseControl is success. Clients which assume results are otherwise sorted are simply broken. And, more generally, the client developer should not assume servers adhere to all "shoulds" and "SHOULDs" in a spec. > > How long has the previous behavior been in in OpenLDAP? Is it > feasible to delay the change until RE25? Seems like a typical > kind of change to avoid doing in the middle of a release series. As Howard's comment imply, we implement the behavior I suggest... all he's doing is clarifying in comments the current code behaves consistently with both RFC 2891 and RFC 4510. -- Kurt

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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by clem.oudot＠gmail.com 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

Le 20 avril 2012 16:22, <hyc(a)symas.com> a écrit : > Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: >> On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Howard Chu wrote: >> >>> Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: >>>> Incorrect behavior per the standards. If the control is recognized and >>> implemented, then it's to be processed regardless of the criticality. There's >>> not supposed to be any "if it errors, ignore it" processing. >>> >>> Thanks for the confirmation. The text of RFC2891 seems contradictory here though. >> >> RFC 2891 was written before RFC 4510... and to some degree, IIRC, was the reason why the criticality processing requirements were make more clear in RFC 4510. Overloading criticality (or any protocol element) is simply a bad thing. >> >>> Specifically, section 2 clause #4 says if critical is False, the search results should be returned unsorted, with a sortKeyResponseControl in the searchResultDone message, containing the error (e.g. inappropriateMatching). >> >> Both 3 and 4, especially when taken together, overload criticality. >> >> 3 is a complete mess because the server returning unavailableCriticalExtension but still making use of the extension by returning an extension specific control! 3 is also problematic as the server might detect the problem only after it has returned some entries. >> >> 4 isn't much better. >> >> So the whole specification is a mess. >> >> What I recommend is this, >> >> If the server implements the control: >> >> If the control is present, try to sort. If able to do so, return sortResult.success. Otherwise return sortResult with sortResult != success. >> >> This, I think is consistent with RFC 2891. >> The client application is assured that the results are sorted in the >> specified key order if and only if the result code in the >> sortKeyResponseControl is success. >> >> clause 3-4 all have "should" (or "SHOULD") in them, all of which mean they are not absolutes. I think it reasonable to use RFC 4510 and the extensions BCP as justification to do something reasonable, such as what I suggest above. > > OK. I'm going to add some comments to this effect in sssvlv.c but otherwise > close this ITS, works as designed. I would like just mention that this choice may be relevant from an RFC/standardization point of view, but will lead to incompatibility of OpenLDAP with some softwares like Cognos or Outlook, which use the sss control on standards attributes like cn or sn. May it be possible to add an option in the sssvlv overlay to ignore such errors? Clément.

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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by h.b.furuseth＠usit.uio.no 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:05:34 GMT, Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: > RFC 2891 was written before RFC 4510... and to some degree, IIRC, was > the reason why the criticality processing requirements were make more > clear in RFC 4510. Overloading criticality (or any protocol element) > is simply a bad thing. IIRC that was done with the understanding that some control RFCs would have to be rewritten - but apparently nobody volunteered to do the rewrites. > (...) > So the whole specification is a mess. > > What I recommend is this, > > If the server implements the control: > > If the control is present, try to sort. If able to do so, return > sortResult.success. Otherwise return sortResult with sortResult != > success. > > This, I think is consistent with RFC 2891. Though the new behavior may be formally compatible with both RFCs, it certainly breaks the expectations of one of them and must do so. How long has the previous behavior been in in OpenLDAP? Is it feasible to delay the change until RE25? Seems like a typical kind of change to avoid doing in the middle of a release series. -- Hallvard

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Re: (ITS#7253) Error returned when sss control used with a non ordered attribute, even if the control is not critical
by hyc＠symas.com 20 Apr '12

20 Apr '12

Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: > On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Howard Chu wrote: > >> Kurt(a)OpenLDAP.org wrote: >>> Incorrect behavior per the standards. If the control is recognized and >> implemented, then it's to be processed regardless of the criticality. There's >> not supposed to be any "if it errors, ignore it" processing. >> >> Thanks for the confirmation. The text of RFC2891 seems contradictory here though. > > RFC 2891 was written before RFC 4510... and to some degree, IIRC, was the reason why the criticality processing requirements were make more clear in RFC 4510. Overloading criticality (or any protocol element) is simply a bad thing. > >> Specifically, section 2 clause #4 says if critical is False, the search results should be returned unsorted, with a sortKeyResponseControl in the searchResultDone message, containing the error (e.g. inappropriateMatching). > > Both 3 and 4, especially when taken together, overload criticality. > > 3 is a complete mess because the server returning unavailableCriticalExtension but still making use of the extension by returning an extension specific control! 3 is also problematic as the server might detect the problem only after it has returned some entries. > > 4 isn't much better. > > So the whole specification is a mess. > > What I recommend is this, > > If the server implements the control: > > If the control is present, try to sort. If able to do so, return sortResult.success. Otherwise return sortResult with sortResult != success. > > This, I think is consistent with RFC 2891. > The client application is assured that the results are sorted in the > specified key order if and only if the result code in the > sortKeyResponseControl is success. > > clause 3-4 all have "should" (or "SHOULD") in them, all of which mean they are not absolutes. I think it reasonable to use RFC 4510 and the extensions BCP as justification to do something reasonable, such as what I suggest above. OK. I'm going to add some comments to this effect in sssvlv.c but otherwise close this ITS, works as designed. -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp. http://www.symas.com Director, Highland Sun http://highlandsun.com/hyc/ Chief Architect, OpenLDAP http://www.openldap.org/project/

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